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Message 118 - Posted: 9 Nov 2019, 12:41:50 UTC - in response to Message 116.  

Dirk Broer wrote:
Just a suggestion: move the comma in our present credit three (or more) places...

Well, Rysiu stated in the first post to mine that credits are a very small amount - but (currently) there is no real proof (to me) that this is really the case.
As STEVE already made a little "joke" out of it, it is a fact that the server software doesn't show the real amount anymore like it was several years ago, it is rounded for two or three decimal places on most of the project pages.
Only the task page sometimes shows the real credit - when it isn't "too small", don't know currently but I think the last time I saw one was 4 or 5 decimal places. But this also was a while ago and I think the newest server software most projects use don't even show that anymore.
So if it's really so small it surely would be theoretically possible to multiply it by a specific factor.
But at the moment I'm not very convinced that we got "retrocredited".
That's why I already stopped crunching here a while ago. Even if I call myself an ATA and credits are most of the time the least thing I think about I don't like it to not getting anything for the work I do.

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Old jobs are deleted from the BOINC server database.
The task database would grow too much and slow down the system.

Data is aggregated in another database.

Well, that was pretty obvious already, I'm familiar to that, but it wasn't an answer to my question.
As you didn't give one I'm thinking you don't have an answer/solution to it currently.
And if it won't be done sometime I think I'm done with the project already...
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Message 119 - Posted: 9 Nov 2019, 14:09:36 UTC

As for adding credits exactly for some time ago realized WU it is not possible.

I will implement statistics generation - (probably not long time?)
After I start, statistics generation will change the points per WU.

For old WU, we can think of special badges for the first users of the project.

We can change old loans but they can not be very big changes. I think special badges are a better idea.

Any other idea?
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Message 120 - Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 10:45:57 UTC - in response to Message 119.  

Sounds good so far.
Do what you can, we will see. ;-)
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Message 121 - Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 11:16:32 UTC - in response to Message 119.  

As for adding credits exactly for some time ago realized WU it is not possible.


How is the sorting of participants on https://root.ithena.net/usr/top_users.php done then?
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Message 122 - Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 15:56:24 UTC
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Currently statistics are generated.
They should be generated every 1 hour.

I sent an emails to Bok and Willy regarding statistics.

The issue of badges is very interesting.
Maybe you have any suggestions for badges?

URL to Stats: https://root.ithena.net/usr/stats/
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Message 123 - Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 17:53:05 UTC - in response to Message 122.  
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Currently statistics are generated.
They should be generated every 1 hour.

I sent an emails to Bok and Willy regarding statistics.

The issue of badges is very interesting.
Maybe you have any suggestions for badges?

URL to Stats: https://root.ithena.net/usr/stats/


As neither stats site is showing your project you either have just started exporting stats, or they are not in the right format (neither stats site can show scores that are all '0' for all participants). You's best contact Bok and/or Willy what's going wrong.
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Message 124 - Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 18:30:15 UTC - in response to Message 122.  

Currently statistics are generated.
They should be generated every 1 hour.

I sent an emails to Bok and Willy regarding statistics.

The issue of badges is very interesting.
Maybe you have any suggestions for badges?

URL to Stats: https://root.ithena.net/usr/stats/


As neither stats site is showing your project you either have just started exporting stats, or they are not in the right format
(it might be that neither stats site can show scores hat are all '0' for all participants).
You'd best contact Bok and/or Willy what's going wrong.
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Message 125 - Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 19:50:30 UTC

Teams statistics look good?
Maybe it is a matter of GDPR settings?
I have to check it out...
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Message 126 - Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 19:58:19 UTC

You can check the profile:


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Message 127 - Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 19:59:11 UTC - in response to Message 125.  
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Teams statistics look good?
Maybe it is a matter of GDPR settings?
I have to check it out...


Yes, the team xml has data, though it's all less than 0 so my site still shows zeroes..

In the DB they have fractional credit




MariaDB [dcfree]> select id,team,metric1 from boinc_team where proj = 'ith' order by metric1 desc;
+------+------------------------+----------+
| id   | team                   | metric1  |
+------+------------------------+----------+
|    1 | SETI.USA               |   0.0611 |
| 2009 | BOINC@Ukraine          | 0.054953 |
|  864 | BOINC@Taiwan           | 0.027267 |
|    3 | L'Alliance Francophone | 0.025777 |
|  101 | [H]ard|OCP             | 0.022313 |
|   98 | AMD Users              |  0.01845 |
| 1481 | Aggie The Pew          |  0.01811 |
|   45 | BOINCstats             | 0.013107 |
| 1027 | Overclock.net          | 0.010937 |
| 2012 | Team-Goobee.org        |  0.01031 |
|  121 | Free-DC                | 0.006717 |
|   70 | Rechenkraft.net        | 0.005723 |
|  141 | Team Norway            | 0.005643 |
| 2010 | BlackOps               | 0.005607 |
|  142 | BOINC@Poland           | 0.002767 |
|   33 | OcUK - Overclockers UK |  0.00273 |
|  237 | BOINC Confederation    |  0.00068 |
|   47 | BOINC@Heidelberg       | 0.000587 |
| 2011 | Hardware Canucks       |  0.00044 |
|  211 | USA                    | 0.000213 |
|  978 | gigo                   | 0.000137 |
+------+------------------------+----------+
21 rows in set (0.01 sec)



https://stats.free-dc.org/proj/ith
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Message 128 - Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 20:07:46 UTC

However, users should export even if they have very little credits ...

It's probably a matter of settings (GDPR?).
I've changed it on my account. We are waiting for statistics to be updated...

The number of credits will have to be set to a larger one at WU (we will implement this change in some time).
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Message 129 - Posted: 11 Nov 2019, 1:02:25 UTC - in response to Message 125.  

Teams statistics look good?
Maybe it is a matter of GDPR settings?
I have to check it out...


I have brought the project under Willy's attention (I hope): https://www.boincstats.com/forum/11/12353,1#150215
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Message 131 - Posted: 11 Nov 2019, 7:31:16 UTC
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Thanks a lot!

Change in profile settings helped?

Currently, the user file contains several accounts:


<users>

<user><id>1</id><name>Rysiu</name><create_time>1566756635</create_time><total_credit>0.055897</total_credit><expavg_credit>0.000637</expavg_credit><expavg_time>1573455864.860182</expavg_time><cpid>9ab7e1d2df1b24f8ace60b7589922be3</cpid><country>Poland</country><url>https://ithena.net</url><has_profile/>
</user>

[... several other users ]

</users>
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Message 132 - Posted: 11 Nov 2019, 13:59:24 UTC - in response to Message 131.  

I do indeed now have an entry for iThena at FreeDC: https://stats.free-dc.org/team/ith/98.
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Message 133 - Posted: 11 Nov 2019, 14:01:28 UTC

Yes. This is probably GDPR settings... ;)
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Message 134 - Posted: 11 Nov 2019, 14:09:25 UTC - in response to Message 122.  

The issue of badges is very interesting.
Maybe you have any suggestions for badges?

Did'nt you made the logo for the project on the front page?
Would be easy to make badges out of it.
If you didn't or can't do that, I probably will/can try it - I already made badges for a few projects in the past.
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Message 135 - Posted: 11 Nov 2019, 14:38:00 UTC
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Very simple logo for iThena:

https://root.ithena.net/usr/img/logo_200x200.png

I'm not a graphics master;)

You can go ahead and try to make some badges;)
Some such that it is known that these are badges for the initial stage ;)
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Message 137 - Posted: 11 Nov 2019, 15:09:33 UTC - in response to Message 135.  
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Some such that it is known that these are badges for the initial stage ;)

you need to decide on the concept of different badges
- badge for old WUs with tiny credits (maybe alpha / beta stage)
- a line of badges for the standard gradation of earned credits (bronze / silver / gold, etc.)

it is necessary to determine the time boundary of these stages - when the initial stage ends and normal work begins.
what will be the fundamental difference?

[upd] are there any plans to launch various applications / subprojects?
Now is a good time to activate per_apps accounting and badges - so far everyone has (almost) zero balance
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Message 138 - Posted: 11 Nov 2019, 15:45:56 UTC - in response to Message 135.  
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Very simple logo for iThena:

https://root.ithena.net/usr/img/logo_200x200.png

I'm not a graphics master;)

You can go ahead and try to make some badges;)
Some such that it is known that these are badges for the initial stage ;)


You could have versions of this logo in e.g. bronze, silver, gold, amethyst, ruby, turquoise, jade (you already have that), sapphire and emerald.
For the initial stage you can replace 'iThena' with 'Beta'.
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Message 139 - Posted: 11 Nov 2019, 15:54:05 UTC - in response to Message 137.  
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you need to decide on the concept of different badges
- badge for old WUs with tiny credits (maybe alpha / beta stage)
- a line of badges for the standard gradation of earned credits (bronze / silver / gold, etc.)


The concept with the letter for the stage is very interesting.
This could be the mathematical Greek Beta for this stage.


it is necessary to determine the time boundary of these stages - when the initial stage ends and normal work begins.
what will be the fundamental difference?



It's hard for me to say about the period of this stage.
I think that initially it could be set a minimum for January 1, 2020.
It is difficult for me to guarantee anything here.


[upd] are there any plans to launch various applications / subprojects?
Now is a good time to activate per_apps accounting and badges - so far everyone has (almost) zero balance


In the future, the issue of sub-projects is quite possible.
activated.
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