Referring to the news item I would like to start a discussion on the credits points requirements for certain badge.

The topic on the forum announcing badge: https://root.ithena.net/usr/forum_thread.php?id=83

Preliminary proposal concerning the category "total credit" for individual applications:

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iThena CNode Badge:

Badge		TotalC	2Power
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Bronze		8192	13
Silver		16384	14
Gold		32768	15
Amethyst	65536	16
Ruby		131072	17
Turquoise	262144	18
Jade		524288	19
Sapphire	1048576	20
Emerald		2097152	21
Diamond		4194304	22


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iThena PERF Badge:

Badge		TotalC		2Power
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Bronze		32768		15
Silver		65536		16
Gold		131072		17
Amethyst	262144		18
Ruby		524288		19
Turquoise	1048576		20
Jade		2097152		21
Sapphire	4194304		22
Emerald		8388608		23
Diamond		16777216	24

The credits thresholds may seem quite high.

However, this is only my suggestion.

These applications will also have long support.

PS. At the moment I have small problems with storage, but the PERF application will also be normally available.

Twitter: https://twitter.com/iThenaProject/status/1312827807412744193

Just my 2 cents (or whatever small denomination currency you'd like :) )
At first blush, the levels for the CNode badges seem high, based on how long i've been crunching them combined with the credit/WU. Might want to start it down one power of 2 (i.e. - 2^12)

Perf badge levels seem reasonable (if we could just get some of those elusive WUs :) (and yes, i read that you're having issues, so it's just meant to be a good natured dig)

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Just my 2 cents (or whatever small denomination currency you'd like :) )
At first blush, the levels for the CNode badges seem high, based on how long i've been crunching them combined with the credit/WU. Might want to start it down one power of 2 (i.e. - 2^12)

Perf badge levels seem reasonable (if we could just get some of those elusive WUs :) (and yes, i read that you're having issues, so it's just meant to be a good natured dig)

Looking at your account it looks like both of us would have the Bronze badge for both kinds of tasks and be a just a bit short of Silver.

You calling me greedy, Mikey :) :)

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You calling me greedy, Mikey :) :)

Nope not at all but.....if the shoe fits :-) :-))))

uh huh. i notice you conveniently don't have your usual signature on your posts... :) :)))) (just as bad as mine)

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The badges are for "Total Credits", this is fine and very welcome.

I was wondering about the many thousands of work units that were done by all the Linux users and we only got 0.0000333 points per work unit. Doing 100,000 work units didn't even get you 1 full credit.
Window users get a faster application and have had 2 point work units since the start, Linux did not, and did not get 2 point work units till a long time after the Windows app had been running.

So I was wondering about that. Perhaps it was all down to development? Linux misses out, as Windows apps take 4 minutes and Linux takes 40 minutes.

Just throwing that out there as I will be taking a long time to get to the first badges of either application but congratulations to all badge winners.

Thanks for your hard work Rysiu it is much appreciated.

Conan

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Linux misses out, as Windows ...

No, on the contrary, Linux wins ;-)
1.We got a beta badge for low-profit tasks. I agree that this situation remained too long, much longer than the distribution of the first badges
2. PERF tasks (not to be identified with Windows) are much faster than the CNode, but their badge level is 4 times higher
3. For Linux, unlike Windows, both applications are available (when they are alive). And now only Linux hosts continue to earn badges

Linux misses out, as Windows ...

No, on the contrary, Linux wins ;-)
1.We got a beta badge for low-profit tasks. I agree that this situation remained too long, much longer than the distribution of the first badges
2. PERF tasks (not to be identified with Windows) are much faster than the CNode, but their badge level is 4 times higher
3. For Linux, unlike Windows, both applications are available (when they are alive). And now only Linux hosts continue to earn badges

Thanks Sergey for a different point of view.

Congratulations on getting your Beta badge, we all did not receive a Beta badge, I did not get one.

Although I joined in Sept 2019 (1 day after you in fact), I didn't start running the project till early this year so missed out on the Beta badge even though I ran a lot of the low credit work units.

So no badge for me then, I will just be patient and chug away, I will get a badge eventually.

We continue onwards
Thanks
Conan

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@Conan: Are you planning to completely stop supporting the project? I think I will probably reduce the requirements for badges... :) These are only proposals :)

Rysiu, check cnode app
without running apps we won't be able to earn a badge even with low requirements ;-)

I checked CNode. Topic: https://root.ithena.net/usr/forum_thread.php?id=89

@Conan: Are you planning to completely stop supporting the project? I think I will probably reduce the requirements for badges... :) These are only proposals :)

Rysiu, You don't have to worry I will continue to support the project.
I was only pointing out what I thought was an anomaly, which it seems is not out of place.
Your levels are probably fine and most people will be able to get them, it will just take me a little while, however is that not what getting a badge is all about, it is about earning the badge so that is what I must do, earn it.

Have a good day
The fun continues

Conan

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Since no one gave another suggestion so far I will give this a new input here, as I believe Rysiu's may be too hard to reach for "normal" users (like me ;-) ):
From all other NCI-projects I have data of (and they are a few anyway) I did a comparison to that here and calculated a bit.
usually the 2 credits for a WU seem quite reasonable since two other projects have a similar per-hour-amount like this here, but they have no (credit) badges.
So far two other NCI-projects have credit badges, but their per-hour amount is higher, around 8 and 10.
For both the first credit badge is starting at 10.000.
With my two computers, I reached these badges after around 25, 26 days.
Here at iThena, I would currently need at least around 85 days (nonstop) for CNode - but since it is mostly run under Linux and most of the time I cannot run both my hosts with the VirtualBox, it would take quite longer.
Too long from my point of view.
Unfortunately I cannot speak about PERF. Actually I don't know the credit amount given from it anymore (there're no tasks in the last time and are deleted very quickly anyway it seems), but the amount to get bronze seems way too high if I look at it and would at least need four times longer than CNode (if the credits are the same) - I could die earlier to say it a bit sarcastic. ;-)
So, my suggestion for the CNode badges would rather look like this:
Bronze 2,000
Silver 5,000
Gold 10,000
Amethyst 20,000
Ruby 50,000
Turquoise 100,000
Jade 200,000
Sapphire 500,000
Emerald 1,000,000
Diamond 2,000,000

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In fact, the entrance threshold for badges is quite high.

It seems to me that for CNode badges you have to reduce requirements.

Probably following the advice better thresholds are:

Badge		TotalC	2Power
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Bronze		2048	11
Silver		4096	12
Gold		8192	13
Amethyst	16384	14
Ruby		32768	15
Turquoise	65536	16
Jade		131072	17
Sapphire	262144	18
Emerald		524288	19
Diamond		1048576	20

Badge		TotalC	2Power
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Diamond		1048576	20

top user - Dingo - has 2,5M so you need two more badges

PERF top user PDW - 19M - 1 more

Badge		TotalC	2Power
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Diamond		1048576	20

top user - Dingo - has 2,5M so you need two more badges

PERF top user PDW - 19M - 1 more

PDW needs another badge when he has passed 33,554,432

iThena PERF Badge:

Badge TotalC 2Power
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Bronze 32768 15
Silver 65536 16
Gold 131072 17
Amethyst 262144 18
Ruby 524288 19
Turquoise 1048576 20
Jade 2097152 21
Sapphire 4194304 22
Emerald 8388608 23
Diamond 16777216 24

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Badge		TotalC	2Power
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Diamond		1048576	20

top user - Dingo - has 2,5M so you need two more badges

PERF top user PDW - 19M - 1 more

PDW has just passed the lower limit of the -now- last badge, and needs a new one at 33,554,432 credits.

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you don't have to add a new badge for the 1st top user
diamond and congratulations to the champion record holder :o)

but in the second case - an excess of 2 times, one full level
a compromise is possible - increase everything by 1 level

Bronze		4096	12
Diamond		2097152	21

PS by the way, the work has already been restored, but the badges are still at the discussion stage

Well, as long as there are not at least 100 users with more than 2 M credits (CNode) I don't see the need to add/create new badges, if you would ask me.

Sergey Kovalchuk wrote:

but in the second case - an excess of 2 times, one full level
a compromise is possible - increase everything by 1 level

Bronze		4096	12
Diamond		2097152	21

That would be no big difference from my list then, only the time to get to the next badge would differ...

Meanwhile I got some (new) PERFs also and could figure out what to get from this,
Since this is so much more than CNode, my list suggestion for this would be nothing less than a multiple from the first one, 20 times to be exact (and with a little adjustment between):
Bronze 50,000
Silver 100,000
Gold 200,000
Amethyst 500,000
Ruby 1,000,000
Turquoise 2,000,000
Jade 5,000,000
Sapphire 10,000,000
Emerald 20,000,000
Diamond 50,000,000
Otherwise, since you guys seem to be fixed to numbers in multiples of 2 you can figure that out yourself. ;-)

Edit:
This list would also apply to the totals then, since both are combined of course!

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