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Message 356 - Posted: 24 Mar 2020, 7:10:24 UTC

Hello
why are the credits awarded not the same?
why the difference?

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24 Mar 2020, 5:11:43 UTC 24 Mar 2020, 6:04:22 UTC Terminé et validé 3,122.79 1.07 0.00000333 iThena CNode v1.17
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24 Mar 2020, 3:44:10 UTC 24 Mar 2020, 4:44:52 UTC Terminé et validé 3,623.47 671.45 2.00000000 iThena PERF v1.02
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you can justify that difference?
the calculation time is the same
I don't get it.

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Message 360 - Posted: 24 Mar 2020, 16:44:11 UTC

These are two different apps: CNode on Linux and PERF on Windows. Credit per task has also been discussed in other threads.
However, one should note that these are NCI (non cpu-intensive) tasks and time is not a function of processor calculations used. Many NCI apps use very little processing power and cannot be compared to normal BOINC apps.
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Message 365 - Posted: 25 Mar 2020, 10:14:20 UTC - in response to Message 360.  

These are two different apps: CNode on Linux and PERF on Windows.

Yeah, so what?
the calculation time is equal the remuneration must be the same.
0 credit with Gnu-linux.
2 credits with Windows.
That's not normal.

the project administrator must rectify
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Message 367 - Posted: 25 Mar 2020, 10:50:47 UTC - in response to Message 365.  
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Sorry, please ignore... misclicked here.
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Message 378 - Posted: 29 Mar 2020, 19:18:41 UTC - in response to Message 365.  

I am also wondering - why don't CNode units get credit like the PERF units? Both are NCI as I understand it so there should be no difference in reward...
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Message 380 - Posted: 30 Mar 2020, 8:16:36 UTC - in response to Message 378.  
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I am also wondering - why don't CNode units get credit like the PERF units? Both are NCI as I understand it so there should be no difference in reward...

That's right, both do nearly exactly the same on the computers (the concrete algorithm is irrelevant, it's only about use of ressources), but us penguins get nothing, the holes in the wall a lot. It can't be that tough to simply grant each and every WU 2 points, imho it should be done retroactive, but that would just be a nice gesture, not a necessity.

I've done 2905 WUs by now, that's the equivalent to 5810 credits.
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Message 382 - Posted: 30 Mar 2020, 8:53:02 UTC - in response to Message 380.  

I am also wondering - why don't CNode units get credit like the PERF units? Both are NCI as I understand it so there should be no difference in reward...

That's right, both do nearly exactly the same on the computers (the concrete algorithm is irrelevant, it's only about use of ressources), but us penguins get nothing, the holes in the wall a lot. It can't be that tough to simply grant each and every WU 2 points, imho it should be done retroactive, but that would just be a nice gesture, not a necessity.

I've done 2905 WUs by now, that's the equivalent to 5810 credits.

Me.

iThena CNode credit 0.05207333 total, 0.00029306 average (12878 tasks)

12878: 25.756.

I am unhappy
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Message 383 - Posted: 30 Mar 2020, 11:18:33 UTC

They have all necessary numbers, as I stated in this post in the other thread anything between 1 and 5 is fine, so what are you still waiting for? OK, I get my stars over @WUprop (red thus far), but credits would be nice as well.
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Message 385 - Posted: 30 Mar 2020, 13:59:06 UTC

Generally speaking, you are right - the applications make a similar system load.
PERF probably uses more computer network (used total transfer) than CNODE.
However, if someone has Internet with unlimited transfer, there is no difference (CPU, RAM).

I hope to add a new version of PERF in the next few days. New version will be available also for Linux platform.
The new version should also not count to infinity.

I know that CNODE is a problem. It's been a long time since I had to withdraw this application...
But I really need to keep up to date with the results from this application.
But I should implement a new application here.
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Message 387 - Posted: 30 Mar 2020, 20:00:44 UTC - in response to Message 385.  

I know that CNODE is a problem. It's been a long time since I had to withdraw this application...
But I really need to keep up to date with the results from this application.
But I should implement a new application here.

What's so tough with simply granting 2 credits instead of 0.00000333 (or however much zeros are in this non-credits)?
That looks like the easiest task possible, just change on number, et voila...
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Message 388 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 11:40:07 UTC - in response to Message 387.  
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I know that CNODE is a problem. It's been a long time since I had to withdraw this application...
But I really need to keep up to date with the results from this application.
But I should implement a new application here.

What's so tough with simply granting 2 credits instead of 0.00000333 (or however much zeros are in this non-credits)?
That looks like the easiest task possible, just change on number, et voila...

Yea, exactly. It has nothing to do with anything. It's just a simple "thank you for crunching", and it's free to you, admin. So why are we still even discussing it? And in case somebody starts discussion about the irrelevancy of credit and the value of pursuit of science, here is the answer - many of us are crunching the weirdest projects just because of the stats...because stats are fun. Just like in sports. Sports are also irrelevant, but the goals, the points, the scores make it fun, make it an entertainment. And there is value in that. Crunching without credit is not fun. Regardless of science.
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Message 389 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 16:40:40 UTC - in response to Message 385.  

Generally speaking, you are right - the applications make a similar system load.
PERF probably uses more computer network (used total transfer) than CNODE.
However, if someone has Internet with unlimited transfer, there is no difference (CPU, RAM).

I hope to add a new version of PERF in the next few days. New version will be available also for Linux platform.
The new version should also not count to infinity.

I know that CNODE is a problem. It's been a long time since I had to withdraw this application...
But I really need to keep up to date with the results from this application.
But I should implement a new application here.

I'm very, very sorry, but I don't understand your reluctance to take 2 credits per wu.

Well, I'm leaving your project and I'm not coming back.
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Message 395 - Posted: 8 Apr 2020, 13:14:18 UTC
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I've been running this project heavily across my various computers yet am still below 10 points. Why does it pay so badly? Team colleagues have scores in the 10-100s. What gives?
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Message 415 - Posted: 13 Apr 2020, 10:13:53 UTC
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Just a kind of Ping:
It's completely unbelievable to pretend, the change form 0.00000333 to 2 per WU is anything but extremely trivial.
Why are you still denying the Linux crunchers their credit? I can't think of a valid explanation, at least none was given so far.
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Message 430 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 14:42:13 UTC

Current standing:
3785 WUs, would be 7570 credits on Windows, but just 0.01261667 on Linux.
Still absolutely nothing happening in this regard, just wilful neglect.
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Message 456 - Posted: 26 Apr 2020, 1:11:01 UTC
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I just connected a Linux based computer to the project.
Disappointed with the credit allocation to say the least, and now I know what others have been talking about.

It will take me 1,000,000 (1 Million) work units to get to 3.33 points on that host.

On Windows I will have 2,000,000 points for the same effort.

So it will take me 600,600 Work Units to equal just 1 Windows WU.

Does not add up very well to me.

Anyway when you have time can you take a look please.

(I know you are working on a new Linux Application so maybe that will fix the discrepancy)

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Message 457 - Posted: 26 Apr 2020, 11:17:09 UTC
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I think its not a credit problem. The problem is, that here is no iThena CNode for Windows and no iThena PERF for Linux. So both OS's can compute for both apps.
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Message 458 - Posted: 26 Apr 2020, 13:27:07 UTC

Credits should be equal, and retroactively so. Period.

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Message 459 - Posted: 26 Apr 2020, 14:42:55 UTC - in response to Message 457.  

I think its not a credit problem. The problem is, that here is no iThena CNode for Windows and no iThena PERF for Linux. So both OS's can compute for both apps.

It's just a problem of negligence towards Linux crunchers.
It's just a simple change from 0.0000333 to 2 for each WU crunched, that the devs here refuse for absolutely no reason since quite some month.

Regardless of the name of the app, 1h crunching in NC-mode should get absolutely the same amount of credit, full stop.
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Message 481 - Posted: 3 May 2020, 7:48:25 UTC

Still absolutely nothing, still obvious wilful neglect if Linux crunchers.

4366 WUs with 0.01455333 credits, would I have Windows instead I would have 8732 credits, but the project hates Linux.
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