Posts by Coleslaw

1) Message boards : Number crunching : Points/Credit (Message 690)
Posted 13 Jul 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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What I have seen, is that VM's are less affected by the change than multi-clients are. However, you can run multi-clients inside a VM as well. His change pretty much target multi-clients. So, you can run as many VM's that you want but that would be a lot less efficient than running multi-clients. But it would allow for more WUProp instances. It was a dumb "solution". Someone could get away with loading a ton of VM's even if they over committed the CPU's if they really wanted to. I wouldn't recommend it, but it all comes down to the system and how you configure them I guess...
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Points/Credit (Message 521)
Posted 11 May 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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Thank you Rysiu. I know that running a BOINC project isn't easy. Keep up the good work.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Points/Credit (Message 519)
Posted 11 May 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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You will have to take that up with sebastien as he came to the conclusion that if you run more clients (work units "intended by his standards") than actual CPU cores/threads then you were essentially "cheating". Basically, he didn't like people finding ways to run more NCI work units on rigs as he felt that was side stepping projects intentions and wishes even if the project encouraged the behavior. The real fear is that he doesn't want people running a ton of WUProp instances for "credit whoring" reasons when it isn't adding more "value" to his project stats reporting which are already skewed anyways. He sees no value to a thousand instances all reporting the exact same thing from the same host. However, people were trying to run WUProp in these instances because they wanted credit for the run time hours they actually DID run for the purpose of the badge upgrades. He adjusted the project so that it didn't work right when running multiple instances and tried to make a lame compromise. However, even the compromise was broken (not sure if it still is and don't care at this point). I see no difference on whether I run 2 instances or 1000 instances when discussing fairness of runtime hours. As far as preventing people from abusing the points...that is a different discussion with different solutions. He also made the change so that in order to get credit for the run time, you also had a CPU intensive work unit running on the same client. That is stupid because someone could still run a CPU intensive app and just tell it to run 10% of the time. Thus allowing other clients to still credit and not over commit the system. Around this time was also when he started to address people running projects that had NCI but didn't have the proper "sensors" to actually compute the work units like QCN and Radioactive. People were running the apps doing nothing in mass just to get run time hours for badges. People can still run a ton of Virtual Machines and waste a ton of resources in order to get WUProp credit bumps too. What it boils down to is that he just didn't like the amount of credit one could squeeze from an NCI project and was afraid they would do it to his. Simple as that.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Points/Credit (Message 517)
Posted 11 May 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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You can always make a Windows Virtualmachine specifically for those 2 projects. 200 instances would cover all 4 Goofy apps plus the 1 iThena application for a total of 1000 work units in progress. Or you could run 250 instances just for Goofy or 1,000 instance just for iThena. You don't even have to activate Windows.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Points/Credit (Message 515)
Posted 11 May 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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Not sure if it is still an issue, but users were also finding WUProp cutting their legit CPU runtimes by the number of instances as well for a while. I have no idea if this was ever fixed as I only run one WUProp in the core BOINC instances on each host and I quit really paying attention to the inaccurate run times listed in the app list. But the way he went about it and his team responded was just childish and short sited. My opinion (and some others) of course.

Conan, have you tried following this? - https://youtu.be/Dhwo3ehDcV4
I had a step by step written guide in my team's forums years ago but back in January the owner updated the forum software and gimped our guides section. Until he fixes it, I cannot link to it. Since that thread was made, others have used it quite a lot.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Points/Credit (Message 513)
Posted 10 May 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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Multi-clients setups. VM's probably as well but Multi-clients would most likely be the bulk. A good SSD can probably support 10 VM's each running 1,000 tasks a piece. Many people did this on GoofyxGrid. However, this project has a much greater issue to watch for. It is really hard on a users upload within the network. So, a user needs to keep an eye on the total network congestion as he/she could load up too many instances or bring down their entire network. You can fit 8-10 VM's on a small 120GB SSD all running Windows 10.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Points/Credit (Message 509)
Posted 9 May 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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Windows + hundreds (thousands) of clients = most likely? I'm sure it won't be long before your shining example project starts overreacting like it did with GoofyxGrid....
8) Message boards : Number crunching : New applications in the test phase [before the introduction of BOINC iThena] (Message 505)
Posted 8 May 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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How will you handle mobile devices then since laptops/notebooks can move around?
9) Message boards : Number crunching : New applications in the test phase [before the introduction of BOINC iThena] (Message 501)
Posted 8 May 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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The form would be nice in theory for those that only have a couple devices. However, I don't see people with a lot of systems bothering with this. Perhaps you could implement something more like what QCN did years ago. https://quakecatcher.net/sensor/show_host_detail.php?hostid=71968
https://quakecatcher.net/sensor/show_host_detail.php?hostid=81855
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Cannot access the site for the last couple days. (Message 460)
Posted 28 Apr 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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Now if I could just keep my cable modem happy while running a bunch of these on my network. I'm having to scale back quite a bit.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Cannot access the site for the last couple days. (Message 454)
Posted 25 Apr 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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So far so good. I will keep an eye on it.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Cannot access the site for the last couple days. (Message 448)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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Well, I only have unlimited data for a few more weeks unless Mediacom extends it further. Hopefully it is fixed soon. RFGuy was able to force an IP change from his provider. I've not been able to attempt anything like that yet. Hoping you can resolve it on your end quick.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Cannot access the site for the last couple days. (Message 439)
Posted 21 Apr 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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Any updates on the progress? I'm still unable to report work or pull up the site.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Cannot access the site for the last couple days. (Message 427)
Posted 19 Apr 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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Yes, I have a ton. I will send you a DM.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Cannot access the site for the last couple days. (Message 425)
Posted 19 Apr 2020 by Profile Coleslaw
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For the last couple of days, none of my systems can reach this project. One of my teammates has the same issue. My provider is Mediacom and his is Comcast. I can still access it from a Verizon cellular connection and AT&T wireless so I know the site is up. Was there possibly a change in your service provider during the moves by chance? I ask because everything was working until you took the project down.
16) Message boards : News : Badges for beta stage - iThena CNode (Message 229)
Posted 26 Dec 2019 by Profile Coleslaw
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I have unfortunately had nothing but network issues for a couple months and have found running this project even with just the single work unit wasn't agreeing with my already dying router. I'm hoping to resolve this soon but not sure if my modem likes it either. Will have to test more once I have a Linux box up again. My last one just lost its HDD.
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Badges suggestions (Message 172)
Posted 23 Nov 2019 by Profile Coleslaw
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looking like good ideas
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't get any work ? (Message 71)
Posted 5 Oct 2019 by Profile Coleslaw
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It may be world's easier for the project to do, but they will also get world's LESS users running those applications. Many still have a lot of trouble getting the Vbox apps working at the current projects as is. You can see their contributors to be much smaller than other projects and a lot more grumbling. I agree something is better than nothing, but that also tends to cause admins to stop working on better solutions to attract users. It is better to spend the time to appeal to the masses for long term adoption than to rush things out to cater to the impatient. This holds true to even many of the "technical crowd".
19) Message boards : Science : What Is Our Mission At iThena? (Message 65)
Posted 3 Oct 2019 by Profile Coleslaw
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I used to email back and forth with Ido Blutman who was one of the programmers but he stopped replying around 2014 and I think my last attempt to contact him was 2015. However, I would have to look through maybe another email account at work to see my last response from someone involved that explained them moving on. If you are interested in picking any of their brains of course. I think their client required Java. Not sure what yours requires. However, I don't recall their app wreaking havoc on the network and I ran over a hundred clients for them. https://stats.free-dc.org/user/dimes/Coleslaw

Edit: Looking through my installation backups, I actually still have a copy of their older 0.5.5.3 agent (client) for Windows. IIRC it worked much better than their last relase...lol.

For some screenshots, we had a few how-to's for setting up the client.
Windows - https://hardforum.com/threads/dimes-installation-walk-through.1768712/
Ubuntu - (no longer has pics) https://hardforum.com/threads/dimes-ubuntu-installation-guide.1804110/
20) Message boards : Science : What Is Our Mission At iThena? (Message 61)
Posted 2 Oct 2019 by Profile Coleslaw
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Any idea how this was different than netdimes.org? https://web.archive.org/web/20170919072818/http://www.netdimes.org/new/ Last I consulted the admin of that project, they had stopped with the research and moved it to a private company. IIRC

Netdimes was an NCI application that had its own client and was not a BOINC project.

My other thought was surveil@home but it had a different agenda - https://web.archive.org/web/20140211221835/http://surveill.dei.uc.pt/surveill/




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